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第三次促排第四次移植,胎停后,自然好孕,生下健康小公主。 [复制链接]

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只看该作者 10  发表于: 2010-07-31
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八十一:
第一次在三院作的,当时是不明原因不孕,还没有发现内异,fsh:9  LH:3,陈贵安大夫给我定的短方案,可能看我的卵巢功能不是很好吧;
第二次是在人民医院,因为刚做完宫腹腔镜手术,消除了内异病灶,所以大夫给我定的还是短方案。
现在才知道内异最好做超长方案的。
上帝会把我们身边最好的东西拿走,以提醒我们得到的太多——四根羽毛
宝宝你心疼妈妈又回来妈妈身边,妈妈永远给你最幸福的爱~
三次促排四次移植,2011年2月自然好孕,小宝贝11月足月出世,体重8斤,身长48厘米。

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只看该作者 11  发表于: 2010-07-31
今天是月经第十一天,打达菲林的第十天,还有一点点血,是黑红色的。
上午去了西苑医院,看的林育樵大夫,开了三七血伤宁胶囊,和丹黄祛瘀胶囊,幸好是成药,要不又要向前两次下午五点再跑一趟取煎药了。
林大夫8月15日到10月1之间停诊了,正好是我取卵移植的时间,说找沈主任继续调理,但是心里有些打鼓,不是一个大夫能继续吗?
菩萨保佑我这次成功吧!阿弥陀佛
[ 此帖被shushu在2010-08-01 09:12重新编辑 ]
上帝会把我们身边最好的东西拿走,以提醒我们得到的太多——四根羽毛
宝宝你心疼妈妈又回来妈妈身边,妈妈永远给你最幸福的爱~
三次促排四次移植,2011年2月自然好孕,小宝贝11月足月出世,体重8斤,身长48厘米。
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只看该作者 12  发表于: 2010-07-31
shushu:我们俩情况差不多,我也是去年七月促排一次,移埴三颗失败了,今年三月的时候想去再促排的时候,发现卵子太少没做成,后来三月底开始吃中药,吃了三个月,这次七月二十七日来例假后进周了,可医生没说什么长方案短方案,也没做什么检查啊,只是做阴超看了一下有多少个基础卵泡就开始了。昨天开始打的针,四天后再去复查,不知道这次会不会顺利呢?
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只看该作者 13  发表于: 2010-07-31
请问一下你们打的达菲林是做什么的呢?去年我也没打过。

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只看该作者 14  发表于: 2010-08-01
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如果你是直接促排的,应该是短方案,超长方案出来卵泡数量不会很多,医生可能是根据你的卵巢情况定的方案,你是什么原因作的sg呢,超长方案适合内异多囊什么疑难问题的,如果只是输卵管问题应该就是短方案了。
不要担心,医生会根据你的综合情况制定最适合你的方案,放心吧。
达菲林是抑制内异的,如果你没有的话不会打的。
上帝会把我们身边最好的东西拿走,以提醒我们得到的太多——四根羽毛
宝宝你心疼妈妈又回来妈妈身边,妈妈永远给你最幸福的爱~
三次促排四次移植,2011年2月自然好孕,小宝贝11月足月出世,体重8斤,身长48厘米。

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只看该作者 15  发表于: 2010-08-01
YJ 第十二天 达菲林 第十一天
血终于停了,昨天开的三七血伤宁胶囊中药还吃不吃呢,上面写的止血镇痛,用于淤血阻滞、血不归经之各种血症及淤血肿痛,但没有写治疗子宫内膜异位症呀,纠结....
上帝会把我们身边最好的东西拿走,以提醒我们得到的太多——四根羽毛
宝宝你心疼妈妈又回来妈妈身边,妈妈永远给你最幸福的爱~
三次促排四次移植,2011年2月自然好孕,小宝贝11月足月出世,体重8斤,身长48厘米。
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只看该作者 16  发表于: 2010-08-01
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我好象以前也得过内异,现在做试管是输卵管堵了,05年还做过巧囊的手术,估计情况也不乐观吧!医生话少,我也没问,去年七月做过一次失败了,估计有我移埴后没休息的原因,也有卵子不太好的原因,反正是没成。今年三月再去,又发现卵子少没法促排,医生劝我放弃不要做了,说我的卵巢功能下降得厉害。我今年37岁,想想别人四十多的也能生,我不死心,回来后就开始吃中药,到七月初才停,二十多号来例假第三天去看了,有七个基础卵泡,就开药做了,3号复诊,不知道这一次我会不会象有些姐妹一样幸运呢。:)
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只看该作者 17  发表于: 2010-08-01
去年去做试管,我好象信心满满一样,对试管也不太了解,总觉得自己身体没有什么别的毛病,只是输卵管堵了,子宫是好的,没有做任何准备工作,在做的过程中所有检查也真是一步一步都过了,从来没有把自己当特殊人群对待,还天真地想着,那些正常怀孕的不是第一个月不知道,什么都做了吗?只要移植进去也没关系吧?呵呵!可到了最后还是没成,打击也蛮大的,我活该,:)
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只看该作者 18  发表于: 2010-08-01
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那个西苑医院我是怕死那些大夫了,前几年我腿疼,大夫一听我是医保就说我是强直性脊柱炎收我住院了,吓的我直哭,后来住进去核磁什么的什么贵让我做什么.剩下的也没人管我,就每天输点葛根,半个月后就打发我出院了,我才知道我就是关节炎,几乎人人都有,只是那年办公室空调太凉,所以加重了.真是觉得冤枉!不过那个那个葛根输的我腿不疼了,过了一年我还想再输点那药,结果大夫又问我:你是医保吗?我说:是!她就说:那你住院吧?我说:我就这点小病住什么院啊?单位挺忙的!大夫说:没事,你输完了就走!我真是无语了!后来和西苑医院的一个认识的大夫聊天,她说:院长大会小会说的都是创收,不宰你宰谁,活该你腿疼!我对那个医院彻底没信心了,后来对中医也失去信心了!

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只看该作者 19  发表于: 2010-08-02
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有风湿性关节炎的人一般免疫都会有问题,免疫问题会影响胚胎着床的。这个专家在他的博客里有解说http://www.ivfauthority.com/2009/06/unexplained-infertility-and-ivf-failure.html
可能国内的姐妹打不开链接,我直接把文章拷过来

Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (IID): A common Cause of Repeated, "Unexplained" IVF Failure

The financial and emotional cost associated with unexplained infertility or repeated IVF failures can be devastating. So, to advise couples who have failed one or more attempts that all it would take to ultimately succeed would be to keep on trying over and over again, is both overly simplistic and disingenuous.

About seven to eight days after fertilization, the embryo’s root system begins communicating with the immune cells (lymphocytes) in the uterine lining (endometrium) through an interchange of growth factors known as cytokines. It is upon the integrity of this communicative process (known as the “cytokine network") that regulated intrusion of the embryo’s root system (that will eventually develop into the placenta) is predicated.

Thus a dysfunctional immunologic interaction between the developing conceptus and the mother can cause all kinds of reproductive problems ranging from failed implantation (presenting as “unexplained” infertility or repeated IVF failure) and miscarriage, to intrauterine growth retardation, stillbirth, fetal loss, and reduced post-birth neurologic and physical development.

It follows that proper implantation is not only a prerequisite for embryonic survival, it is also a major factor in determining intrauterine growth and development of the baby and perhaps most importantly it ultimately can influence the very quality of life after birth.

There are basically two categories of Immunologic Implantation Dysfunction (ID):

Autoimmune ID:
This is by far the most common variety. It is believed to be implicated in >90% of cases of immunologic implantation dysfunction and occurs when an immunologic reaction is produced by the individual, to his/her body’s own cellular components. The most common antibodies that form in such situations are:

a) Anti-phospholipid antibodies (APA)
b) Antithyroid antibodies (ATA)
c) Antiovarian antibodies.

But, it is only when specialized immune cells in the uterine lining known as Natural Killer (NK) Cells, become activated (NKa) and start to release “toxins” that attack the root system of the embryo, that implantation potential is jeopardized. Diagnosis of such NK cell activation (Nka) requires highly specialized blood and/or endometrial tests that can only be performed in a handful of reproductive immunology laboratories in the United States.

Since Autoimmune ID is often genetically transmitted, it is not surprising that it is more likely to exist in women who have a family (or personal) history of primary autoimmune diseases such as Lupus Erythematosus (LE), Scleroderma, clinical or subclinical hypothyroidism, Rheumatoid Arthritis etc. Reactionary (secondary) autoimmunity can occur in conjunction with any medical condition associated with widespread tissue damage. One such gynecologic condition is endometriosis.

Autoimmune ID is usually lethal to the implanting embryo. This is because it destroys the embryo’s root system from the get-go. Accordingly, it most commonly presents as “unexplained infertility” or “unexplained (often repeated) IVF failure” rather than as a miscarriage. Autoimmune ID is readily amenable to reversal through timely, appropriately administered, selective immunotherapy (see below).

Alloimmune ID:
This is relatively uncommon, accounting for less than 10% of cases of ID. Alloimmune ID is associated with a reaction to cell components (e.g sperm antigens) derived from another member of the same species (e.g., sperm). Thus, it is the sperm contribution to the embryo (i.e. the paternal antigen) that makes the embryo an allograft. It is quite remarkable therefore, that an embryo which in the vast majority of cases is immunogically “different” to the mother, thrives in her uterus. This paradoxical arrangement came about through magnificent evolutionary adaptations that allowed this to take place. Uterine immune cells (especially NK cells and T-cells) play a pivotal roll in this accommodation. They do so through a balanced release of growth factors (cytokines).

So it is that in less than 10% of IVF cases that are associated with ID the embryo (through the contribution made by the sperm) shares too many genetically similar characteristics with the host (the mother). When this happens, repeated exposures to such an embryo will over time evoke an imbalance in the cytokines released by the uterine immune cells. This is characterized by activation of uterine NK cells (Nka). In such cases the “root system” of the embryo” can be compromised and the the embryo may be destroyed immediately but most often will instead "limp" along only to miscarry when its supply of nutrients and oxygen is outstripped by demand.

Thus alloimmune ID usually does not destroy the embryo immediately. Rather, after sustained erosion of its reserve, the conceptus will miscarry.

We diagnose alloimmune ID by testing the male and female partners for shared of genetic markers known as of as DQa and HLA. A sufficient degree of matching clinches the diagnosis. We also test the embryo recipient for Nka in an attempt to measure the relative severity of the problem. This is brcause once the NK cells in the uterine lining are activated and the cytokine balance is disrupted, the situation is grave and will remain so (or worsten) unless the NKa cells are medically deactivated (down-regulated) at least 1 week in advance of the embryo(s) reaching the uterus.

It usually takes repeated exposures of uterine NK cells to an alloimmune matching embryo for these cells to become activated (NKa). Until this happens a pregnancy can be established and even proceed to a normal birth inspite of the ID. Subsequently over time, with repeated exposures of matching embryos to the mother’s uterus, NK cells will become activated and the couple will find themselves miscarrying. Eventually the NKa will become permanently established and the couple will fail to conceive. It is thus not unusual to find such couples going from having a baby together through a stage of repeated miscarriages to one of secondary infertility.

Unfortunately, immunotherapy for alloimmune ID is not as likely to be as successful as with the treatment of autoimmune ID. Selective immunotherapy is simply not invariably curative in the case of the former. While selective immunotherapy significantly improves the chances of success, in cases of alloimmune ID, it cannot assure a successful outcome.

Heparin and Aspirin Therapy
There is compelling evidence that the subcutaneous administration of regular heparin twice daily or low molecular heparin (Clexane, Lovenox) once daily, (starting with the onset of ovarian stimulation) significantly improves IVF birth rates in women who test positive for APAs.

Aspirin on the other hand, has little if any value and in my opinion. The reason for this is because it increases the potential to bleed. This effect can last for up to a week and could add bleeding risk to the egg retrieval procedure and resulting in intrauterine bleeding at the time of embryo transfer, potentially compromising IVF success.

IVIG and Intralipid Therapy
The main objective of selective immunotherapy for immunologic ID is to down-regulate (reduce toxicity) of Nka. In the past, the only effective and allowable way to accomplish in the U.S was through the intravenous infusion of a blood product known as immunoglobulin-G (IVIG). However, the administration of a blood product raised understandable concerns about the transmission of viral infections such as HIV and hepatitis.

To make matters worse, competing IVF clinics capitalized on all this bad press by raising red flags and sometimes going as far as to caution infertile couples against seeking IVF services from those who dared to offer access to IVIG. This created “a herd mentality” that severely harmed the practices of those of us who recommended selective IVIG therapy.

Notwithstanding this, we were not willing to be dissuaded by prejudice or malice from doing what we knew was the right thing and the reward for taking this stance which came in the form of thousands of babies (that otherwise would never have been born) now brightens the lives of an equivalent number of couples that otherwise would have remained childless.

In 2006, reports began to surface regarding a product called Intralipid (IL), a synthetic product which, upon being administered intravenously prior to embryo transfer, would elicit a similar regulatory effect on Nka as IVIG had achieved. In 2007 we began administering IL to patients with NKa. At first this treatment was confined to those who needed IVIG but for diverse reasons refused the treatment. Later we expanded the trial to other IVF patients with NKa. Todate we have treated more than 200 women with IL with impressive results (soon to be published). Against this background, SIRM physicians have all but abandoned IVIG, supplanting it with IL.

Compared to IVIG which costs about $4000-$5000 per infusion and can evoke unpleasant and potentially dangerous side effects, IL, when used as recommended by SIRM, is virtually devoid of risk and/or side effects and costs less than $400 per infusion (i.e. 1/10th of the cost of IVIG).

Corticosteroid Therapy (Prednisone, Prednisilone and Dexamethasone)
Steroid therapy is a mainstay in most IVF programs. Some programs prescribe daily oral methyl prednisilone while others prescribe prednisone or dexamethasone, commencing with the initiation of ovarian stimulation with gonadotropins, and continuing until after the ultrasound the diagnosis of pregnancy.

Any seed, if it is to thrive and develop into a healthy plant, requires that it be placed in a fertile soil. So also does a successful pregnancy require that an optimal seed (embryo)/soil (endometrium) relationship be established.

In about 70% of cases, reproductive failure is due to poor embryo “competency” issues, while in 30% of cases, a non-receptive endometrium is the reason for failure. It follows that with IVF, focusing entirely on embryo (seed) quality will not reduce the risk of failure in patients with endometrial receptivity (soil) problems.

The evaluation for immunologic dysfunction as well as for other factors that can affect implantation should form part of the evaluation of patients preparing to undergo IVF, and especially so in women with recurrent pregnancy loss (RPL), women with a personal or family history of autoimmune conditions, and women with “unexplained” infertility or IVF failure(s).